But if it is, it may be due to the quality of the original tape of that take being compromised somehow. It usually happens on a beat to other so it is not obvious. There is a slight volume and balance shift suggesting it was a new take. But … That would mean that John ,and Paul would both have to punch in. If indeed it was an isolated dedicated track for the vocalsthey would have both have to have punched in, not just Paul. Even if they went into the board on two mics, it would have been on only one track.
Indeed it does! At the time WAY less important than mono mixes. I have it on vinyl from the early 70s. Even better than before! The vocal harmonies to me are quite impressive. Not really. I see there is much discussion in respect to that part. John was borderline on his low end, and Paul on the border on the top. Remember they were making the film,and recording the sound track in a very limited amount of time.
To my heart, that is what makes the album HDN so endearing. I can assure you had they recorded this song in it would be nothing like this sparse little arrangement that just nails you …. It was George playing the seventh fret interval harmonic on D and G string.
Assuming he did it on the 12 string Rick, it would certainly give the appearance of a chord, but on a 12 string they are all octaves except the high B and E string unison. Hence you would technically have four different notes, which would more that compensate for a chord three notes.
Brilliant finale. My little contribution. One of the more charitable passages in his book, giving John full singing credit on a song with shared vocals. The emphasis on John had to come from somewhere, after all. But it was obviously a close collaboration, since they do almost all vocals together. Why is this concept so hard to get for so many people?! I agree that who does the singing is almost always the main composer s of the song.
What percentage did he give himself? As for percentage: He says it was a coop with emphasis on John, obviously meaning something like In fact, the intro chords are really tricky, sounds more like Paul to me. John sings the lead in the intro, so he wrote that for sure like you said before. I expect he would have if it were true.
I distinctly recall that was also what he gave for Norwegian Wood. At least John was specific e. Knowing that the person who sang it wrote it was enough for me. It showed that it was indeed an equal partnership. Rachel seems obsessed with percentages. Thanks, great reply. Paul was obsessed with percentages in his book. I felt it unnecessary, petty and like you said, impossible.
Demo tapes are composition tapes…anyone will tell you that…you commit a song to tape either when your in the process of composing or to transcribe what you just wrote so as not to forget it…Paul and John have demos circulating that show them doing one or the other…both John and Paul have lapses in memory concerning certain songs. To date,no demo tape circulates of a song that they are in the process of writing together…. A song can either be finished or in progress when something is recorded.
There are no rules on that. To assign some standard and assume every single demo the Beatles ever recorded was at the same stage of development is not logical. WORKING demos are composition tapes; and, alongside contemporary dated material, they are proof of everything relating to a songs creation. As I stated earlier, there are ZERO Beatles songs, in demo form, that are examples of collaboration…they are all solo efforts on the tapes as you would expect!
Incidentally, as far as I can tell from this thread, not one person has made the claim you If I Fell i. Were you there with John? So all we have left is their legacy to listen and enjoy. Paul does not seem shy about claiming credits on John songs, especially the Beatlemania hits on which John sings, and which John said that he wrote.
Do these lines tell us that girl should sing that? Dear moderator, there is in Russia one site like yours. Main aim the discussion is to decide from what person The Beatles sing this song, I mean sex — from boy or from girl?
It is simple for native english speaking peoples? But not for us. Help us to solve this problem any way. Many Thanks. I have been playing these songs since they came out.
Every new song or album was a new guitar lesson. One thing about this song not mentioned here is that the actual melody line switches back and forth between John and Paul.
Whenever they are both singing, Paul seems to have the lead melody If I Fell John is doing a low harmony. In places the jump John has to do is almost awkward but he pulls it off quite well as in. This one has two singers; his YouTube channel has many other Beatle songs where he handles all the harmonies.
Just finished reading the discussions here about this song. I think this song is an equal collaboration… Just an observation guys. John sang alone on the intro. And both songs have preambles and similar tempos. Are you guys talking about a song from 50 years ago.
We get it, if you love john, you look and try to point out all of johns greatness etc…. If you love Paul, you point out everything Paul did and try to spin it. The only thing I have noticed is that Paul always contributed to songs in the studio and most certainly this type of song he would of contributed. Lets get real and move on in life.
They were great musicians and everyone added in the studio. If you people believe everything that was written or said in interviews by John Lennon then you must be all crazy because he said a lot of stuff that made nonsense, he even said a lot a bad stuff about the Beatles music and about George, Paul and producer George Martin.
John Lennon was a heroin and cocaine addict that lied all the time and had Yoko manipulating him like a lot of girlfriends do. Come on, get with it people. Life goes on and Music changes and progresses and musicians change stuff all the time in a studio and then the producers change their songs when they are at home relaxing.
Then the song is cut up and pasted together and harmonies added and different takes are cut together and stuff is drowned out and then they have a product to sell to people like you. Especially people that will keep buying different versions of the same song and then buy books and treat Playboy interviews as a life long interview and Holy grail. Anyhow, you get the point. Paul McCartney is the only one that actually still sings Beatles songs and has been promoting the Beatles for over 40 years by including the Beatles songs in his concerts and keeping the music in the public eye.
Lennon did 1 concert after the Beatles and it was laughable. He needed a big hit of heroin before he could face the crowd, Just like Michael Jackson.
Wellll…you obviously have no bias, do you? Come on a site like this and bash John Lennon on the page of one of greatest compositions?? Then all the personal stuff. It was quitting cigarettes that drove him nuts. How would he even perform? He seems perfectly lucid, not drooling all over himself or nodding and what not. Plus what about the second performance that night?
Another fix?? What a patronizing distorted comment! Hard core fans of this website love the Beatles warts and all with no expiry date in sight. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice.
Who really cares at this point? The songs are still awesome. This was written completely by John Lennon. To prove the point here, a rough demo tape of John Lennon doing this song completely by himself exists on YOUTUBE before it was ever recorded with him singing the higher lead vocal. The question that people have been debating here is really just how much he actually contributed to it. Yes, this demo does sound surprisingly close to the finished product, but I personally feel that this would only fuel the debate further.
A previous commenter questioned whether this demo was recorded before McCartney had added anything to the song.
Having gone through the comments section here, I personally doubt that anything new can really be added to this debate by now. The demo tape, as I stated previously, is a composition tape. Any guitarist, who has studied the chord structure in this demo, will tell you that the demo for this song proves that John wrote the introduction.
John starts the introduction in Ebm which is an extremely odd way to start any song composed on the If I Fell. The demo tape reveals how John wrote the introduction. He wrote it on a guitar that was tuned down a whole step. As for Paul? With all due respect, I cannot help doubting that everyone who reads your comments are going to be convinced by your forceful and somewhat hyperbolic stance on this dispute even though you clearly took the time to think it out.
For all we know it may very well have varied from song to song. We can only make up our own minds which you clearly have.
Well Richard, I found your reply to be in a word: odd. It would not be sensible to think otherwise. Paul is not in evidence. It just is what it is. If somehow you or anyone else here feels my usage of the word was misplaced than an apology is certainly in order. But writing music and writing lyrics are not the same thing, and there is more than one way to combine the two while in the process of writing a song. I was only stating why I remain uncertain as to everyone agreeing with the firmness of your own viewpoint about the writing of the music.
You may claim and genuinely believe that the existence of this demo is solid proof of Lennon having written the melody and chord progression by himself and use your own views of his compositional tendencies as support for your claim.
But, even if every guitarist you know agrees with you, how exactly does that speak for every compositional method relating to the guitar. I have several friends who are guitarists and they all have different ways of working things out on their instruments partly because they are proficient in different genres of music.
Sometimes these guitarists have even tried working out ideas they found in other musicians, so if these musicians could then why not Lennon and McCartney? And why would it not be possible for such ideas from other people to find their ways into guitar based songs, or even demos of such songs?
And while I personally feel that Lennon is occasionally overpraised in some areas, it does not change one iota of my admiration for his musicianship and songwriting. The evidence, ALL of the direct evidence, supports that view. It does matter in THIS instance if you play guitar or not. The demo chord structure is pure John Lennon and represents the way this song was clearly written.
Usually, it was the music first…Paul has said, at various times, a title might suggest or inspire the music…. Once again, your post was very odd. But, once again, If I Fell, those songs were not solo demo songs, they were collaborations…and we have ZERO demos of any collaborations!
You can certainly feel that what you are stating is accurate Kendall. You clearly took the time to think your viewpoint out. RBG: Beyond Notorious.
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People tend to think of him as an acerbic wit and aggressive and abrasive, but he did have a very warm side to him really which he didn't like to show too much in case he got rejected. Paul then cleared up the songwriting credit for the song. It was a nice harmony number, very much a ballad. Other than the implied inspiration of Bob Dylan in respect to the song's introspective lyrics, McCartney hints at another possible influence in an interview from The Fourmost were a four-piece Liverpool group that had their beginnings around the same time as The Beatles, even premiering at the Cavern Club about three weeks before The Beatles did.
They ended up being among the Brian Epstein stable of British recording artists signed to Parlophone Records and working with George Martin. Having had two Top 20 British hits by that time, and because of being contemporaries of The Beatles, their vocal style may very well have had, at least to a small degree, an impact on the harmonic style used in the writing of Lennon and McCartney in January of At the very least, a friendship continued between the two bands to the point of Paul suggesting they record the song "Rosetta" in for which he played piano.
Recording History. February 27th,the third day in a row of recording in EMI Studio Two for their first motion picture, was a very productive one. This three hour session consisted of 15 takes of the song with all The Beatles on their usual instruments and singing simultaneously. In order to get the proper feel, John and Paul insisted on doing the intricate harmonies singing into the same microphone.
The song did evolve as the takes went on, such as Ringo's heavier drum sound suggested by producer George Martin starting from take three. Two other changes began at take eleven, which were John's punchy acoustic guitar introduction and George Harrison's distinctive string guitar run at the end of the song. Also, apparently John had "an itchy bum" by the end of take nine, because he made sure to capture this statement on tape.
Take 15 ended up being the final take even though it contained a semi-serious flaw at the end of the second bridge. Paul's voice cracked on the word " vain " to the point that this extremely high note actually cut off. This was easily fixed by double-tracking another vocal part as an overdub for that part of the song.
John also double-tracked his vocals throughout the entire song, which gives their two-part harmony a rich and full sound. Lincoln got together in the control room on Studio One to perform mono mixes for all the tracks to be included in their first movie " A Hard Day's Night. They were also careful to make sure Paul's double-tracked vocals were in place for his flub at the end of the second bridge. George Martin, Norman Smith and 2nd engineer Ken Scott gathered in the control room of Studio Three on June 9th, to make mono tape copies of the soundtrack songs including "If I Fell" for distribution to both American If I Fell labels that would be releasing them.
United Artists included the song on the soundtrack album, and Capitol Records released it as a single as well as on their album " Something New. June 22nd was the day that was used to create the stereo mixes for the songs on the " A Hard Day's Night " album, which were also sent to Capitol Records for release on the " Something New " album.
Since United Artists were rush releasing the soundtrack album, they only had the mono mixes in time for its release. George Martin, Norman Smith and 2nd engineer Geoff Emerick were the only ones present in the control room of Studio One on this day for this marathon session.
Less care was taken for this stereo mix than had been achieved for the previous mono mix in March. They allowed the double-tracking of John's voice to be heard even in the introduction, which has a somewhat out-of-sync beginning. They also forgot to correct Paul's flub in the second bridge, so anyone who spent the extra dollar for the stereo version of the American or British album got to hear Paul's voice crack embarrassingly towards the end of the song. This concert performance was recorded for the intention of release as a live album by Capitol Records in America in late A rough stereo mix of the show was made on August 27th by Voyle Gilmore and Hugh Davies, adding equalization, reverb and limiting.
Despite their hard work, the album got rejected for release because of the bad quality of the recording. The tapes did resurface in and, combined with a recording of a Hollywood Bowl concert, were released as the successful album " The Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl. Song Structure and Style. Pepper " album. Anyone paying attention in was in denial if they hadn't admitted to being impressed by the complexity displayed in "If I Fell.
As discussed in our review of " Not A Second Time ," music critic William Mann of the London Times stated the following way back in about the songwriting of Lennon and McCartney: "One gets the impression that they think simultaneously of harmony and melody, so firmly are the major tonic sevenths and ninths built into their tunes. When you listen to the melody lines that John and Paul individually sing in this song, you'll notice that they interweave each other throughout, jumping, diving and even singing unison in strategic places.
John's melody line may rise while Paul's will fall and vice-versa while Paul still maintains his usual higher register. While their usual practice shows the lower register as the actual melody line and the higher one being the harmony, one cannot tell which is which in this case.
Feb 19, · The Beatles IF I FELL (Lennon/McCartney) From: "A Hard Day's Night [Intro] C#m If I fell in love with you C Would you promise to be true B G#m And help me understand C#m 'Cause I've been in love before C And found that love is more Dm7 G7 Than just holding hands [Verse] C Dm Em Dm7 If I give my heart to you G7 I must be sure C Dm Em Dm7 From. Ebm If I fell in love with you D Would you promise to be true Db Bbm And help me understand Ebm 'Cause I've been in love before D And I found that love was more Em A Than just holding hands D Em F#m Em If I give my heart to you A I must be sure D Em F#m Em from the very start that you A D Gm A would love me more than her D Em F#m Em If I trust in you, oh please A . ‘If I Fell’ was a ballad primarily written by John Lennon, which first appeared on the A Hard Day’s Nightfilm and soundtrack. The song was a collaboration between Lennon and Paul McCartney, with Lennon taking the lead. That’s my first attempt to write a ballad proper. That was the precursor to ‘In My Life’. Jul 19, · The Beatles IF I FELL (Lennon/McCartney) From: "A Hard Day's Night" () D9 x(5) / x or (easier) D7sus2 x-x If the D9 is too much for your taste, a regular D7 wor. If I fell in love with you, would you promise to be true, and help me understand? ‘Cause I’ve been in love before, and I found that love was more than just holding hands. If I give my heart to you, I must be sure from the ve - ry start, That you would love me more than her. If I trust in you, oh please, don’t run and hide. If I fell in love with you would you promise to be true and help me understand? 'Cause I've been in love before and I found that love was more than just holding hands If I give my heart to you, I must be sure from the very start that you, would love me more than her If I trust in you oh please, don't run and hide If I love you too oh please. The song was written during his first marriage. "If I Fell" has an unusual structure: the intro differs musically from the main theme of the song, and there's no real "verse-chorus" sequence. The lyrics for this song were written on a Valentine's Day card. Jul 05, · Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group If I Fell (Live At The BBC For "Top Gear" / 16th July, ) · The Beatles On Air - Live At The BBC ℗ BBC. Lyrics. The Beatles If I fell in love with you Would you promise to be true And help me understand 'Cause I've been in love before And I found that love was more Than just holding hands If I give my heart to you I must be sure From the very start That you would love me more than her If I trust in you oh please Don't run and hide If I love you too oh please Don't hurt my pride like her . "IF I FELL" (John Lennon - Paul McCartney) The innocence of 60's pop music was reflected in The Beatles' songwriting in the early 60's.
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